"A good thought... anywhere else," he says with a nod, because he doesn't want to discourage him or discount his thoughts. But he's got a few suggestions.
"You won't always know the strength or abilities of your opponent here," he points out mildly, but then he points down, to his legs, "but gravity is gravity. And most things will fall over if you disturb their balance. The lower you hit, the more force they'll need to correct."
He points to the ground.
"Once they're down, they're at a greater disadvantage. You can easily kick them in the head, use the strongest blows you have."
Until gravity isn't gravity, he can't help but muse, but the point's still valid.
"So we're going to be looking at take-downs, then?" he offers, and there's an edge of curiosity to his voice. He's genuinely pretty interested, in whatever Kiryu wants to offer.
That gets a light scowl. "I hit him in the face with a fire extinguisher, I wasn't exactly in a position to get anything better when he snuck up on us in the hallway."
It's tempting to get an axe now, to prevent this from happening again.
"You may not have much time or many actions you can take before you'd be taken out or someone gets hurt. In a situation where you have to deescalate, a weapon will give you additional reach and let you hit harder. How hard and what you hit is something you'll have to gauge from what's happening."
He gives a wry tilt of his head. "At the same time, it'll also make you a target over someone who's unarmed."
Tim's ideal weapon, when he thinks on it, is definitely a baseball bat, or an axe. Good heft and a decent weight to carry. But given the lack of them in the fucking gym, he'll settle for something else.
He looks around for a hot minute, considering the gym equipment curiously. "About the only things that might hurt someone I can even carry are the kettlebells and dumbbell bar."
He finds the smallest one he can, but that's still got more weight to it than he's expecting. It's not a problem, he's just gonna feel the burn sooner rather than later, and he brings it back to Kiryu so he can settle into his fighter's stance with the pole in both hands.
...and then immediately widens his stance a bit more because he can feel himself off-balance already.
Kiryu makes a decision; Tim's taken enough blows in the last few days. The point is to teach, not beat.
Which is why one hand reaches out to hold the pole in place while the other ends up with the knuckles about a centimeter above his stomach. And Kiryu, cool as ice, smooth as silk, looks up at Tim.
"The most important thing you can do in a fight is make your decisions quickly and decisively. You don't have time for a second guess. If you want to do something else, do it after your first move."
He draws back and lets go, then mimes what he read from Tim's body.
"Clock me in the face, and then, if that doesn't work, go for my legs. In a different fight, your impulses might be different. Follow them, then adjust. As you practice and learn and gain experience, your instincts will get better."
Tim's gut sucks in automatically at the very sudden presence in front of it, but there's no small amount of relief that Kiryu doesn't actually make contact; the degree to which his shoulders slump in relief when the older man pulls back is distinct.
But he mirrors Kiryu mimicking him as the man talks, making gentle ghost strikes at where Kiryu's head and legs had been, and gives a firm nod as he settles himself back into his stance.
"Yeah. Think I might have it." Knowing Kiryu is absurdly powerful makes it easier to sort of lean into not caring whether he makes contact. "Try it again."
The roar's less startling, though no less threatening, and this time Tim manages to stay focused - he lets out a fierce grunt of his own as he swings his makeshift staff.
The movies don't really mention how much of a punching motion it really is not, and Tim's first strike at Kiryu's head is a bit sloppy, but he's played around with brooms and rakes trying to copy the movies that he can pick it up on the second strike, and stumbles slightly as he takes a step sideways to swing with more power at Kiryu's legs, aiming for his knee.
Kiryu blocks the first move with his arms crossed in front of him and lifts his leg to take the second in the meat of his calf instead of the knee. The blows don't seem to have done damage, but they've definitely stopped him in place and even pushed him back a little.
He'll roll back after that and offer a firm nod of appreciation for the effort.
He's a bit more ready this time, even if Kiryu changes up how he charges. He's getting a little more confident.
He darts sideways as Kiryu gets close, aiming for the back of his head as he charges, before he sweeps the 'staff' around in an arc to try and hook underneath the front of his leg to destabilise him.
But when he turns and Tim offers a hand, he'll take it and use it to help himself stand. Then he dusts himself off, because even if it's t-shirt and shorts, he likes to be presentable.
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"You won't always know the strength or abilities of your opponent here," he points out mildly, but then he points down, to his legs, "but gravity is gravity. And most things will fall over if you disturb their balance. The lower you hit, the more force they'll need to correct."
He points to the ground.
"Once they're down, they're at a greater disadvantage. You can easily kick them in the head, use the strongest blows you have."
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"So we're going to be looking at take-downs, then?" he offers, and there's an edge of curiosity to his voice. He's genuinely pretty interested, in whatever Kiryu wants to offer.
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He's a practical fighter.
"They're least able to cause harm while disoriented and down. And it's the easiest to use your size and weight to potentially contain them."
He gestures to the ground.
"And if they're completely out of your capabilities, it'll give you and others time to run."
He gestures around the room, where there's plenty of things though obviously, no overt weapons.
"Why didn't you try a weapon?"
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It's tempting to get an axe now, to prevent this from happening again.
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"I meant with me."
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"Sorry. No, uh, it just. Didn't occur to me. Sort of feels like a bit much of an escalation for just. Training."
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"You may not have much time or many actions you can take before you'd be taken out or someone gets hurt. In a situation where you have to deescalate, a weapon will give you additional reach and let you hit harder. How hard and what you hit is something you'll have to gauge from what's happening."
He gives a wry tilt of his head. "At the same time, it'll also make you a target over someone who's unarmed."
He gestures around.
"Pick something here to use as a weapon."
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He looks around for a hot minute, considering the gym equipment curiously. "About the only things that might hurt someone I can even carry are the kettlebells and dumbbell bar."
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"They're both good choices," he agrees, "though I'd probably recommend the bar over the bell. That one gives you reach."
He gestures down to his leg.
"And is easier to use for tripping."
He tips his head towards it.
"Go ahead."
Go get it.
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He finds the smallest one he can, but that's still got more weight to it than he's expecting. It's not a problem, he's just gonna feel the burn sooner rather than later, and he brings it back to Kiryu so he can settle into his fighter's stance with the pole in both hands.
...and then immediately widens his stance a bit more because he can feel himself off-balance already.
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"Good. Pay attention to what you're feeling most of all."
He backs up a few steps.
"I'm going to run at you. Take me down."
He backs up a few more before nodding at Tim. And then he's letting out a roar and charging towards Tim.
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The roar is a lot and Tim breaks stance to stumble back a step in shock, but corrects quickly to try and swing--
--where? His immediate instinct is to clock Kiryu in the face again but they were just talking about legs--
His panicked compromise is thrusting it out with both hands in a poor, hasty block.
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Which is why one hand reaches out to hold the pole in place while the other ends up with the knuckles about a centimeter above his stomach. And Kiryu, cool as ice, smooth as silk, looks up at Tim.
"The most important thing you can do in a fight is make your decisions quickly and decisively. You don't have time for a second guess. If you want to do something else, do it after your first move."
He draws back and lets go, then mimes what he read from Tim's body.
"Clock me in the face, and then, if that doesn't work, go for my legs. In a different fight, your impulses might be different. Follow them, then adjust. As you practice and learn and gain experience, your instincts will get better."
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But he mirrors Kiryu mimicking him as the man talks, making gentle ghost strikes at where Kiryu's head and legs had been, and gives a firm nod as he settles himself back into his stance.
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"Try it again?"
He's stepping back and away as he asks.
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The movies don't really mention how much of a punching motion it really is not, and Tim's first strike at Kiryu's head is a bit sloppy, but he's played around with brooms and rakes trying to copy the movies that he can pick it up on the second strike, and stumbles slightly as he takes a step sideways to swing with more power at Kiryu's legs, aiming for his knee.
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He'll roll back after that and offer a firm nod of appreciation for the effort.
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(God he's going to feel the burn from this later.)
He settles back into his stance, ready again.
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There's a moment where he reloads, and then he's going to charge again, this time low and silent and intent.
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He darts sideways as Kiryu gets close, aiming for the back of his head as he charges, before he sweeps the 'staff' around in an arc to try and hook underneath the front of his leg to destabilise him.
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"Like that, then."
But he only holds it there for a second, before he offers a hand to help Kiryu back up. Not that he needs it, but the gesture's important.
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But when he turns and Tim offers a hand, he'll take it and use it to help himself stand. Then he dusts himself off, because even if it's t-shirt and shorts, he likes to be presentable.
"Don't poke them in real life."
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